The Ministry of Islamic Affairs said draft regulations under the Religious Unity Act will incorporate recommendations by Jamiyathul Salaf to “protect and defend Islam in an Islamic state like the Maldives”.
In a letter sent to the Islamic association yesterday, the ministry said recommendations made by Salaf earlier this month were already included in the regulations currently being reviewed by the attorney general’s office.
“The purpose of the regulations that have been drafted is to protect the country and Maldivian society from brutal and harsh practices, divisions and antagonism in the name of Islam and from practices that contradict Islam and Islamic culture,” it reads.
The 11 recommendations made by Salaf included removing anything that conflicts with Islam from the education curriculum or subject syllabuses, making it an offence to spread other religions and openly sell or possess any items that symbolise religious holidays of other religions, and specifying measures to be taken against expatriate teachers found to be promoting other religions or inciting hatred of Islam among students.
Moreover, the proposed regulations should empower the authorities to check printing presses and bookshops for material in conflict with Islam, and make it an offence to publish such opinions or views in the media.
Salaf also recommended obligating non-Muslim visitors to inhabited islands to adhere to a code of dress and conduct appropriate to an Islamic environment.
Furthermore, the regulations should ensure that photos and videos used in advertisements do not clash with Islamic codes of behaviour and make it illegal to introduce elements of foreign cultures that conflict with Islam.
Salaf’s recommendations further call for specifying penalties for those who openly “challenge or defy” God, his Prophet or Islamic shariah, and make it an offence to disrespect the Prophet or his companions.
Lastly, Salaf recommends the creation of a council to take measures against people who issue religious fatwas (edicts or decrees) without the requisite education or learning.
Unless these recommendations are incorporated in the regulations, Salaf’s letter states, it would be “meaningless” and could “open doors” to other religions and cultures.
Salaf claimed action was not taken against Christian missionaries under the old regulations, and were instead used to “punish, jail and torture” Maldivians who “loved Islam and tried to find the right path”.
The letter goes on to recommend that the proposed rules are put up for a public discussion among religious scholars.
In response the letter from the Islamic Ministry, signed by State Minister Mohamed Shaheem Ali Saeed, states that the president’s office, Maldives Police Service and experienced religious scholars were consulted during the drafting process, which spanned six months.
The letter goes on to say the ministry regrets that Salaf has been criticising the ministry and attempting to “mislead the public” about its policies instead of offering either assistance or constructive help.
Moreover, it reads, the ministry regrets that Salaf’s president Abdullah bin Ibrahim Mohamed refused an invitation to join the Fiqh academy or help draft Friday sermons.
“But ultimately, even if you do it from afar, we believe sharing such counsel is a good step for the future and we are grateful for it,” it reads.
Salaf responded to the letter today, thanking the ministry for assuring the association that its recommendations were already in the regulations.
“What remains now is the wait for the regulations to become enforced,” Salaf replied.
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@Lord
You say Quran is for all the time and all the people and then there is a reason why Quran was sent in Arabic as if Arabic is a special language... so Quran was sent to Arabs?
@sha
no its not only for arabs if you can read the Quran you would know its not only for Arabs, and if you compare arabic with other languages you would know that Arabic is a very rich language so that a divine book should be in the best language on earth. (like it or not Arabic is the best language)
lordhextor is an Arab. He will be 'visiting Maldives' very soon. Dho, lordhexter?
Mathematics is a rich language. Arab like any other language is subjected to interpretation Lord! that is why there are so many sects Lord!that is why you say others don't understand Quran and others say you don't understand Quran. I would presume a devine book should have been sent in a language that is not subjected to interpretation, something like mathematics.. Chemistry, engeering, physics. But it can't can it? cause its very nature of these messages does not allow it..
@avatar
i never said i'm an Arab, there are Maldivians living in other countries so when they "visit" Maldives it would be called visiting wouldn't it??
@sha
My friend mathematics, chemistry and physics are not languages. Islam does not have sects those people who do things on the name of Islam does not mean that Islam is like that. If you look at those people you would see uneducated people. Anyone who has studied would understand. look at the above comments people who call themselves "quraniyoon" try to prove their point without any knowledge even the Quran has verses against them. That’s what happens that’s what I say people without knowledge won’t understand Quran. So if you study Arabic and then read the Quran you would know there aren’t chances to sect in it so talk after you study it.
I don’t talk about mathematics cause that’s not my field so if you don’t know your religion or what Arabic language is its better to be shut than to go in a debate just to differ
So Quran is reveled to only Arabic learned educated scholars.. not to everyone including laymen like myself? how contradicting!
Most existing religions, and specifically Christianity and Islam, take pride in their suspension of rational thought. They discuss "faith" (by which they mean drawing conclusions without any logic or evidence) as if it is a noble quality. Call me crazy, but I believe in empiricism. In a search for knowledge, you never jump to conclusions; you put forward hypotheses, you test those hypotheses against physical evidence, and if they hold up, you promote them to theories. Through extensive experimentation and analysis of the data you gather, sometimes you even prove those theories to be true. But one tenet is paramount: you never insist something is true just because you want it to be true.
This also means that you never try to label the unknown without evidence. You accept that there are things you cannot explain and you do your best to explain them with new ideas. I believe in the theory of evolution and more specifically in the theory of natural selection because those theories are the only ones that fit with the evidence we currently have. If tommorrow, new physical evidence and experimentation conclusively proves creationism, I'll want to know how and why. If I'm satisified, I'll adopt that belief instead.
@sha
Quran is for everyone but not everyone can understand it thats why Allah sent a prophet to teach it, thats why Muslims study their religion and those who study other things ask religious scholars whats in the religion while scholars ask them whats mathematics. not every man can understand Algebra and also solve its equation, can they?? well anyone can after they study it right?
@Hailer
well according to testable physical evidence you don't have a brain thus we cant take your point.
dont take me wrong friend, i know you have a brain cause in my religion our book says Allah gave us brains to think. but according to your physical evidence you have not seen nor felt nor heard or tasted your brain.
pls dont tell me that its proven humans have brain by science, (just because all the people they have tested having brains does not mean all humans do, right?)
its easy for a human to argue and bring forth questions even though its stupid, but when it comes to reasoning most fails
UDHUNAS ey HIMAAREH
lordhexter aa mithaa miulhey philo kudhin kolhu dhiya eeyo hingaalan, ehen hinganikoh farubadhaey mathin fenijjeyo eachey lordhexter bunyo ey dhoonyekey dhenthibikudhin bunyo noonekey himaarekey, dhen e'ee keachey thoa balan ethanaa kaari vi irah eythi udhuhijeyyo lordhexter bunyo kobaa dhooniekey eyyo udhuhenee ey. philo kudhin kolhu bunyen noonekey udhuhunas ey himaare key.
lol UDHUNAS ey HIMAAREH
@lordhextor
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First I thought, like many you were ignorant when you quote the verse “And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. (al hashr 7)”.
Now I know you one of the many good example of people who deliberately lie and ascribe things to God by twisting and taking verses out of context.
I still pray I am wrong about you and that one day your heart changes and asks forgiveness from God for what you are doing.
Everybody out there please look at the below (or any other translation) and ask for yourself that the part in caps is good enough as a reason for you to follow dozens of books besides Gods words given to prophet. while Quran states that we are not to follow any other hadith but the best hadith which is Quran.
Pickthal
59:6 And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, ye urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah giveth His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things.
59:7 That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. AND WHATSOEVER THE MESSENGER GIVETH YOU, TAKE IT. AND WHATSOEVER HE FORBIDDEN, ABSTAIN (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.
59:8 And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their homes and their belongings, who seek bounty from Allah and help Allah and His messenger. They are the loyal.
For any sane mind it is very clear from the above verse that its you who is taking things out of context and twisting it to prove your falsehood. Which infect will vanish.
I believe in the Author of the Quran; God. The Complete and fully detailed book states about people who try to promote false stuff by word.. clear enough for anyone to understand as long as you are blessed to be among those who can understand Gods word given to Prophet Mohamed.
Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.[31:6]
Note: this is the verse used by people like you to make music haram. Of cause I can understand that. Devil needs a cover and be the god for those who believe in him. So for his allies Quran is difficult, cannot be understood, ambiguous, not enough, lacks a lot etc etc. .
As for “Believe in God and believe in HIS messenger”. We cannot believe in God unless and until we believe in the messengers and prophets, as they are the chosen human beings among us who deliever us Gods Words.. and they are made examples cos they strictly follow Gods Words.
On the other hand most of the human beings turn our prophets and messengers to idols. Likewise Christian claimed jesus to god and muslims made Mohamed a god by trying to have a separate book for Mohamed and a separate book for God. But he was given one book to follow and preach.
“Say (O Muhammad), ‘Whose testimony is greater?’ Say, ‘God is the witness between me and you that THIS QURAN was given to me to preach it to you, and to whomever it reaches.’ However, you certainly bear witness that you set up other gods beside God. Say, ‘I will never do what you are doing; I disown your idolworship.’” (6:19)
NO SUNNA OR HADITH MENTIONED
As for trying to ascribe books besides Quran to Mohamed is baseless because God mentions Prophet Abrahim as a good example the same way Prophet Mohamed is mentioned.
If you try to go away from Quran there will be numerous crystal clear verses which will contradict.
As for arabs or none arabs. The hadith (Quran)Prophet Mohamed delivered has an answer to that as well.
"Whether it came down in nonArabic or Arabic, say, 'For those who believe, it is a guidance and healing. As for the disbelievers, they will be deaf and blind to it.'" (41:44)
So no matter how big a giant you are in Arabic for the disbelievers they will be deaf and blind to it. You have mentioned several times that not all can understand it. You be the judge where you stand in this matter. what I say is "whether arab or not for those who believe, it is a guidance and healing."
Below is what was asked of Prophet Mohamed regarding what shall be done to the quran.
"Do not move your tongue (O Muhammad) in anticipation of Quran. It is we who put it together as a Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow it. Then, it is we who explain it." (75:16-19)
5:99 The Messenger's duty is but to convey (the Message). And Allâh knows all that you reveal and all that you conceal.
Brothers and sisters please come back to true Islam before its too late.
Follow the Authentic hadith. follow the true hadith given to prophet Mohamed. follow the best Hadith. Follow Gods Hadith. If we did God willing we will never go wrong.
"God has revealed the best 'Hadith'; a book that is consistent, and describes both ways (to heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord shudder therefrom, then their skins and hearts soften up and receive God's message. Such is God's guidance; He guides whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by Him, no one can guide them." (39:23)
"There are those who advocate vain 'Hadith' causing diversion from the path of God, without knowledge, and fail to take such actions seriously; these have deserved humiliating retribution. And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly, as if he never heard them; as if his ears are deaf; promise him painful retribution." (31:67)
Praise be to God. Read the verse below and any sane mind will never wender of what he or she has to follow. Those who challenge God should know how terrible a punishment they have deserved.
"These are God's verses; we recite them for you truthfully. In which "Hadith", beside God and His verses, do they believe in? WOE TO EVERY SINFUL FABRICATOR. He hears God's verses, then insists arrogantly on his way, as if he never heard them; promise him painful retribution. When he learns anything from our verses, he takes it in vain; these have deserved humiliating retribution. Awaiting them is hell; neither their earnings, nor the idols they had set up beside God can help them; they have deserved terrible retribution. THIS IS THE GUIDANCE, and those who do not believe the verses of their Lord will suffer debasement, and painful retribution." (45:611)
Note: please refer to the verses from as many translations as possible.
Praise be to God, Lord of the universe
Peace be upon all the messengers.
peace
TruthPrevails
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pls dont tell me that its proven humans have brain by science, (just because all the people they have tested having brains does not mean all humans do, right?)
LOL. The lord is all wise and all-knowing. Hahaa!
Anyway this thread is lame now. The lord has stolen the show with his logical acrobatics like rajnee kaant does with his action. Woopah!
Dear readers who have spoken against Islam and its teaching,
First of all i want to ask salim waheed what is Maldivian Islam.As far as i know ALLAH(SWA)had told the mankind to hold on to the rope Allah(SWA)in QURAN.ALLAH(SWA)had not told the mankind to hold to the ROPES of ALLAH(SWA).So this actually answers the question of why there are so many sects.In Islam there is only one group who will attain paradise.Even by looking at the comments this question is answered.As you know there are readers who had commented about the article who had different views and different understanding regarding Islam and its teaching.If you start using your own ideas leaving the QURAN and the SUNNAH every single one of you are creating actually a sect.You just need to get some people to follow you.Like this most of the sects are formed to achieve political benefits,power or to weaken Islam.But ALLAH(SWA) had warned the enemies of Islam that ALLAH(SWA) will maintain Islam in its Orthodox form till the end.
Next i would like to ask all the readers who believe in atheism this question.If i rape your mother and sister and escapes without being caught and then dies peacefully in the bed.Is is fair that i escape after afflicting you and your family with so much pain and grief.Salim Waheed had told the readers that his family was accused tortured by the previous government.As you know no one from the previous government had been convicted or punished for inhumane acts they have done.So it could be that they will escape from the crimes they have committed.So Salim Waheed do you think its fair they escape.I can assure that your answer will be no.Hitler systematically murdered SIX MILLION JEWS.If for example we caught Hitler and sentenced him to the severest punishment we can ever give.Will this punishment suffice for the MURDER OF SIX MILLION JEWS.The answer is no.This is when death,punishment in grave,resurrection,hell,heaven come to the picture.If ALLAH(SWA) wants Hitler can be given life six million times or more ,then slowly inflicting pain and torture he could be punished in hell.So if we look at the life as a dead end that means how many people like Hitler would escape from the crimes against humanity.
As far as i know scientists had not been able to answer questions regarding most of the things we witness in the universe,in the earth and under the sea.I been working as a dive instructor for five years and as a research officer for more than one year.I had lot of discussions,arguments about creationism and atheism to foreigners locals who had worked with me.But when i asked them how does a salmon finds its way back to the stream that it was born,or how does a small goby discovers its symbiotic relationship with a shrimp.All they can say is inst is amazing man.That it,they have nothing else to say.These facts even Darwin himself could not
Or else maybe you explain to me how a human embryo in its mothers womb gets its life and how a human being after born looses its life?
Regarding the article what i had to say is i fully support what the Islamic Ministry is doing.In the LAW it self its says that laws should me made within the Islamic scope and that this is an Islamic nation.
A dress code for tourists visiting Mal'e is necessary in my opinion.Its actually not the tourist who will find this a problem.Basically foreigners who come here as tourists they have more respect for our culture and religion.To give you an exmaple i worked as a dive instructor for local company.My boss was a local.When i told him that i wont to go for friday prayer he told me that if you wanna pray you cant work in a place like this.I did work for this guy for more than two years.After resigning from there i worked for hundred percent foreign company.When i told the German base leader i wanna go for Friday Prayer she change the work plan and after that i never had to ask her again.The foreign colleagues who worked with me had great respect for me.But some of the other locals who were working with me they were now and then caught drinking alcohol or running after a single girls or teenagers.So iam sure the foreigners wont mind coming to Mal'e wearing a decent dress.Even when i worked on Safari boats when we told the guests to wear something decent they never objected.Some would change the dress and come and even ask us if the dress is decent enough.I think anyone who had interacted with foreigners will know how much respect they have for other culture or regions. Its just a minority of people who have a hidden agenda that are showing hostility toward other cultures or religions to achieve some worldly benefit.This is what you see in the comment.The hostility towards Orthodox Islam.They know if it spreads or there illegal sexual acts,desires,narcotics.usury,interest,equality and worldly benefits will be shattered.Thats what you see here.By ALLAH(SWA)the more you strive the stronger the Muslims ranks will get.
ALLAH(SWA)IS ENOUGH FOR BELIEVERS.
@Truth Prevails
Why go to translations why not quote it straight from the Quranic text? your just an online scholar who takes things out of net without knowledge.
The ideology you bring forth is not new the origin is a jew and القرآنيون is a type of hypocrisy, now listen to this if you believe in Quran only, you must know the language it came in so what’s the meaning of this verses?
وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ
Did I take it out of context?? Or you’re just looking up translations which you know not?
And read the Quran listen to Allah's commands when he orders his servants to fellow the prophet.
{يا أيها الذين آمنوا أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم فإن تنازعتم في شيء فردوه إلى الله والرسول إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الآخر ذلك خير وأحسن تأويلاً } (النساء 59)
004.059 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.
﴿ مَنْ يُطِعِ الرَّسُولَ فَقَدْ أَطَاعَ اللَّهَ وَمَنْ تَوَلَّى فَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَفِيظاً ﴾ [النساء:80].
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YUSUFALI: He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
PICKTHAL: Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them.
SHAKIR: Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah, and whoever turns back, so We have not sent you as a keeper over them.
it’s clear here very clear Allah commands his servants to follow Allah (Quran) and his messenger (sunnah) and he says if you are in dispute refer it to Allah (Quran) and his messenger (sunnah) this proves you never read the Quran nor knows how to read it but read a translation. So don’t be such a Quranic scholar and mislead the people and its in the Quran obey the prophet so that you obey Allah
AND HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER TO THIS
﴿ فَلا وَرَبِّكَ لا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ حَرَجاً مِمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيم﴾ [النساء:65].
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YUSUFALI: But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
PICKTHAL: But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission.
SHAKIR: But no! by your Lord! they do not believe (in reality) until they make you a judge of that which has become a matter of disagreement among them, and then do not find any straitness in their hearts as to what you have decided and submit with entire submission.
IF YOU’RE A TRUE BELIEVER YOU MUST MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THE PROPHET.
{فأمنوا بالله ورسوله النبي الأمي الذي يؤمن بالله وكلماته واتبعوه لعلكم تهتدون} الأعراف:158
007.158
YUSUFALI: Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
SHAKIR: Say: O people! surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His messenger, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him so that you may walk in the right way.
{قل إن كنتم تحبون الله فاتبعوني يحببكم الله ويغفر لكم ذنوبكم والله غفور رحيم } (آل عمران 31)
003.031 YUSUFALI: Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
PICKTHAL: Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
its obvious that if you want to be a muslim you have to follow Mohammed (saw) because its a direct command from Allah and for people like you who go against it
{فليحذر الذين يخالفون عن أمره أن تصيبهم فتنة أو يصيبهم عذاب أليم } (النور 63)
024.063 YUSUFALI: Deem not the summons of the Messenger among yourselves like the summons of one of you to another: Allah doth know those of you who slip away under shelter of some excuse: then let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous penalty be inflicted on them.
PICKTHAL: Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knoweth those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them.
SHAKIR: Do not hold the Messenger's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other; Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves; therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement. and finally Allah says in the Quran to those who walk away from the prophet
" وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا مُّبِينًا (36)" سورة الأحزاب
YUSUFALI: It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
PICKTHAL: And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.
SHAKIR: And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.
{أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ يَزْعُمُونَ أَنَّهُمْ آمَنُوا بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ يُرِيدُونَ أَنْ يَتَحَاكَمُوا إِلَى الطَّاغُوتِ وَقَدْ أُمِرُوا أَنْ يَكْفُرُوا بِهِ وَيُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَانُ أَنْ يُضِلَّهُمْ ضَلاَلاً بَعِيداً} النساء 60
( وإذا قيل لهم تعالوا إلى ما أنزل الله وإلى الرسول رأيت المنافقين يصدون عنك صدودا (النساء 61 ) )
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YUSUFALI: Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to the Evil One, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan's wish is to lead them astray far away (from the right).
PICKTHAL: Hast thou not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray.
SHAKIR: Have you not seen those who assert that they believe in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you? They desire to summon one another to the judgment of the Shaitan, though they were commanded to deny him, and the Shaitan desires to lead them astray into a remote error.
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YUSUFALI: When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger": Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.
PICKTHAL: And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turn from thee with aversion.
SHAKIR: And when it is said to them: Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger, you will see the hypocrites turning away from you with (utter) aversion.
Before you go read and blindly follow whatever you seen on then net (including mine). Go and learn your religion and the Book of Allah.
To those who reject Quran because it was revealed in Arabic Language:
Do you accept rules and regulations that are laid by United Nation? Why the whole world follows those rules and regulations while majority of world population does not speak in English language. One may say we know english or we have it translated in our language... Like the same he can learn arabic to understand the Quran or he can refer to a translation of it. So it's a useless point to bring here...
A note from a foreign observer: I have read various ones making the statement, "Maldives is 100% Muslim". I think that is either wishful thinking or a denial of reality-- or maybe both. The Maldives is not now, nor has it ever been 100% Muslim. There is no place in the world that is 100% anything. Just because people are pressured to adhere to a certain religion does not make them true believers. There are free thinkers in every culture who make up their own minds about what to believe-- no matter what their government or their community tells them to do. There are no doubt many Maldivians who are not believers, so you are kidding yourself (or maybe you are trying to persuade everybody to stay true to the faith) when you say Maldives is 100% Muslim.
Also this: Your democracy is not 100% democratic when you do not allow freedom of religion. As your new democracy matures it will eventually have to allow its people this freedom as well; it is the honest thing to do. Otherwise, you force your non-believers to live dishonestly-- to live in hypocrisy. No amount of laws, regulation, or persecution will make them believers, so why would you want them to live a lie? Perhaps for the sake of "national unity"?
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@lordhextor
I have never claimed or said anything regarding not following or not obeying prophet Mohamed. We have to believe and obey prophet Mohamed with our heart and mind. That doesn’t give you or any scholar or Arabic giant any right to attribute dozens of books to prophet Mohamed and make people believe that following prophet Mohamed is following people like you and scholars out there.
Following prophet Mohamed and believing in prophet Mohamed is following and obeying exactly what he believed and followed in his life. He never deviated from it nor he was asked to preach anything else than the quran.
There is not a single person, scholar or whosoever who could show a single verse in quran which states that obeying and believing in prophet Mohamed is following anything other than quran.
Your claim is baseless and you are going away from the real matter when you try to prove that those who follow quran alone is not following and not obeying prophet Mohamed. Infect those who follow quran alone is what is required from us by God Almighty and prophet Mohamed as well.
If anyone wants to follow prophet Mohamed day and night, he or she has to strictly follow what prophet Mohamed followed obeyed and preached. Following buhari, muslim and or sayings of abu huraira and the like is following them and scholars and going against prophet Mohamed and what he preached.
“Say (O Muhammad), ‘Whose testimony is greater?’ Say, ‘God is the witness between me and you that THIS QURAN was given to me to preach it to you, and to whomever it reaches.’ However, you certainly bear witness that you set up other gods beside God. Say, ‘I will never do what you are doing; I disown your idolworship.’” (6:19)
NO SUNNA OR HADITH MENTIONED. NOT IN THIS WORLD NOR IN A SINGLE VERSE OF THE WHOLE QURAN.
“God has revealed the best ‘Hadith’; a book that is consistent, and describes both ways (to heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord shudder therefrom, then their skins and hearts soften up and receive God’s message. Such is God’s guidance; He guides whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by Him, no one can guide them.” (39:23)
“There are those who advocate vain ‘Hadith’ causing diversion from the path of God, without knowledge, and fail to take such actions seriously; these have deserved humiliating retribution. And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly, as if he never heard them; as if his ears are deaf; promise him painful retribution.” (31:67)
If you read the verse below truthfully you will never ask a single question of regarding what to follow and what not to. You will never win in this world nor here after by ascribing those to prophet Mohamed because the hadith prophet Mohamed preached and believed and obeyed was:
“These are God’s verses; we recite them for you truthfully. In which “Hadith”, beside God and His verses, do they believe in? WOE TO EVERY SINFUL FABRICATOR. He hears God’s verses, then insists arrogantly on his way, as if he never heard them; promise him painful retribution. When he learns anything from our verses, he takes it in vain; these have deserved humiliating retribution. Awaiting them is hell; neither their earnings, nor the idols they had set up beside God can help them; they have deserved terrible retribution. THIS IS THE GUIDANCE, and those who do not believe the verses of their Lord will suffer debasement, and painful retribution.” (45:611)
Note: please refer to the verses from as many translations as possible or verify by any means..
Praise be to God, Lord of the universe
Peace be upon all the messengers.
peace
Adam:
English, Arab or any other language is subjected to interpretation. Do we really follow United nations rules and regulations. its manipulated and distorted to fit to their own purposes for those who has power.
We were talking about a devine book which is far superior to a nations or united nations law and it seems to me God's word ought to be in a universal language which is not subjected to interpretations. so does our nations laws. Hope you can see this. everything is so old in our societies around the world. the language we use. the politics, the economy the religions. its as old as time.
@Truth Prevails
where in to world does luqman surah has 67 verses man, i think you have your own Quran. there is no (31:67) ok and what translation says hadith in the verse 39:23
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YUSUFALI: Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.
PICKTHAL: Allah hath (now) revealed the fairest of statements, a Scripture consistent, (wherein promises of reward are) paired (with threats of punishment), whereat doth creep the flesh of those who fear their Lord, so that their flesh and their hearts soften to Allah's reminder. Such is Allah's guidance, wherewith He guideth whom He will. And him whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide.
SHAKIR: Allah has revealed the best announcement, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.
where is it man you are just translating on your own or following that Qurani scholar of yours.
and there is no 45.611 Quran does not have any surah that has 600 verses man
your out of your mind, the longest Surah in the Quran is Baqarah and it has 286 verses man you see theres your problem
one more thing how do you know you have to pray five times a day or how do you know the times for praying how to you know how to fast. why did Allah sent messengers with each book, why mosses why jesus why mohammed??? if Allah wish Allah would have sent down an angel or the book it self descending. Allah says if it was angels living on the earth we would have sent an angel.
how do you follow the prophet not knowing what he showed and said. we never follow Bukhari or muslim we follow the sunnah of the prophet.
there are lots of things i can say but i guess the Quran your having is a new Quran and you have a new religion. Quraniyoon is not a new sect its been there from the second century of higra and thats after the companions of the prophet just like a jew found the shia a jew found Quraniyoon to mislead the people. arnt you following the translator when you trust his translations and quote it. why dont you quot from the exact Quranic text?? why not. you can preach your 611 verses somewhere else
claiming that you know Quran too well and that its enough but you have proved you dont even know what Quran is. thats what i'm telling you learn and study man before you follow things on your own all the new and lost sect come in to being cause of stupid uneducated people like you.
@lordhexter
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I never claimed i knw Quran better nor i would say that you uneducated and stupid.
Yes Quran was enough for prophet mohamed and is enough for me God willing.
I guess this is the end of our debate since you couldnt show a single verse from quran saying "to follow prophet mohamed's sunnah and hadith" other then verses taken out of context.
what i have presented to you from quran are clear distinct verses like day and night regarding what to follow and what not to.
May God guide us all and educate us all.
Praise be to God, Lord of the universe
Peace be upon all the messengers.
peace
TruthPrevails
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You amuse me, "lord"hexter.
Claiming to be a "lord" and then promoting Islam. Cheap irony, much?.
Actually, what made me laugh harder was when you said Mathematics is not a language. Nay, Mathematics is THE universal language. Master it, and you can communicate with sufficiently advanced beings without fail.
@ truth prevails
@ lordhexter
@ All...
wow great debate that really proved that this hexter is nothing but a parrot repeating the sounds of its elders.
[2:171] "The example of such disbelievers is that of PARROTS who repeat what they hear of sounds and calls, without understanding. Deaf, dumb, and blind; they cannot understand."
@ Anon
Well said !
in fact one who don't know mathematics will not know these things. send then to the tuition class
Dear lhexter,
May Allah reward you for the efforts you are making to explain that our religion Islam is never complete without Quran Hadeeth put together.
To readers who have commented against following the haddeths of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)my argument is that Islam is never complete without it.There are so many proofs to this.
For example the Quran doesn't mention the burial rites,what negates fasting,the amount of alms that you have to give ,how to pray,the ways you have to perform jihad,Hajj rituals and more.You will not find any details in Quran about some of the things i have mentioned here.The Quran mentions that we have to pray.The Quran mentions we have to pay alms.The mentions we to go to Hajj.The Quran mentions you have to perform Jihad.TRUTH PREVAILS I THINK AS YOU ARE VERY WELL VERSED FROM QURAN AND THE TRANSLATION DOES THE QURAN MENTION THESE THINGS. DID THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW)PERFORM BURIAL RITES,PRAYER,FASTING,HAJJ AND ALMS PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION.IF YOU SAY HE DIDN'T PERFORM THESE ACTS FOR SURE IN QURAN ALLAH(SWA)CALLS OUT TO ALL HUMANKIND TO PERFORM THIS ACTS.
IF ALLAH CALLS OUT TO PERFORM THESE ACTS TO HUMANKIND HOW CAN WE KNOW HOW TO PERFORM THESE ACTS.PLEASE ANSWER THIS FOR ME.
The people who denies Hadeeths are doing this because the Haddeths are one of the source in which Islams teaches its followers most of the rulings in FIQH and IBADAH.For example through only looking into Haddeths we will know how to bury a muslim,how to perform ablutuion,how to pray,rulings for jihad,Hajj,Veil,Characters of believers and more.So for this reason they deny it.Cause they are too lazy to pray five times or they think bowing down to Allah(SWA) is type of slavery. They think they are oppressed and freedom is lost when they have to keep a beard.They want there want women to run naked attracting other men creating chaos in society.They think giving alms might make them poor.Going to hajj is too expensive and hard work. SHORT AND BRIEF THEY JUST WANNA LEAVE OUT WHAT THEY AND THEIR WOMEN FOLK DISLIKE AND FOLLOW WHAT THEY LIKE.SO THEY DENY THE HADEETH.
just like a reader had commented you wont go to a doctor when you have a leak in your roof.So go ask someone who have this knowledge rather than writing what ever that comes to your mind.
MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU ALL TO THE RIGHT PATH.
THANK YOU.
pfffff. we the maldivian public (i generalise but bear with me here) are so caught up with categorising every nitty gritty detail of our religion that we seem to in the end forget to PRACTISE said religion.
I'm no scholar in islamic matters. heck, by salaf's definition i'm probably apostate a thousand times over but screw that. I know what i know, and i know that if there really is a God out there, i don't need a bunch of scraggly-bearded fork tongues who're too cheap to buy new pants when they outgrow them and whose own personal lives revolve around naught but nymphomania and struggling like so many maggots for power to interpret said God FOR me. I'll do it myself, TYVM.
seriously, try to make the maldives into a fundamentalist heaven and you'll get one of two outcomes:
a) mass exodus of maldivians with IQ's above single digits
b) a shitstorm the likes of which you've never seen, culminating in whomsoever attempts to beardify the nation having their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
neither of which, i feel, are progressive and positive outcomes.
Hmmm... tolkiwartooth's post is probably the most intelligent here... what the hell are we talking??
I rely on the principles of sexual selection which will sooner or later wipe out beardos and moono's.
@ Sha: I'm with you in that point - why the hell Arabic?? Did God "choose" this language? Language is man-made - I would also expect something more universal than a human language.
The Exodus has already began. The country is loosing its best and the brightest at a alarming rate. And it is all thanks the to these idiots who want to impose their will on others.
What Salaf wants in this country is a political position. They are using Islam as the primary campaign material for the attainment. Previous regimes used Islam as a tool to secure their tyranny and its time Salaf sharpens the blade of the same tool in accordance with their views.
When we go astray its not hard for all mighty to punish us, and for that God does not need any assistance from Salaf.
The current parliament and government must bare the responsible for the vast progression of radicalism in this country.
If we date back to a decade these religious extremists were only a handful. Despite all effort of the previous regime to control the growth of these mullahs they have managed to flourish. As they secured more confidence and with the recent changes to the politics in the Maldives, Salaf now redirects their views to be made mandatory in the country by terrorizing ISlamic minstry.
We have a government and we do have an Islamic ministry to promote Islam in the country. What I can't believe is the State Minister to be so regretful for not having assistance from Salaf to make his best shot.
@ tolkiwartooth
no matter how much u shout fundamentalists r increasing day by day.there is nothin much u can do but shout.
bcox Allah the most powerful is with the fundamentalists.
@nishan
Are you seriously endorsing fundermentalizum. If you are then people like you should under no circumstance be part of the dialog to draft any law. This should be unacceptable
@nishan. I wait patiently for the day your "fundamentalists" take over Maldives and turn it into the next Sudan.
The main problem is interpretation of Quran and Hadeeth by Islamic sholars. Some scholars interpret Quran saying women have to wear hijab while others say Niqab. Isn’t that too much. It’s incorrect to pass stringent Islamic laws, such as requirement to wear Niqab. Azhar has passed a fatwa against Niqab, so isn’t it contradictory. It’s one of the prestigious Islamic Universities, in the world that passes fatwas on contradictory Islamic issues. Islamic scholars interpret Quran wrongly for their own purpose, it’s all political as I see it. It’s not to say that all Islamic scholars like that but the majority of them seems to have an agenda. Commentators have said Niqab is not an Arabic culture such as in Afghanistan. Niqab is very much is part of an Arabic culture. Go back and surf for information. May Allah guide us in the right path and not dictated by extremist scholars.
@Nashath Rafeeq
ya seriously
i would be happy infact every muislim must be happy to hear that hes an extremist, fundamentalist o terrorist. bcox thats wat the americans n zionists say about a true mulim. in their view if anybody prays the five compulsory prayer importantly the morning prayer n do the other obligatory acts n follow the sunna he is an extremist fundamentalist o terrorist.
May Allah guide us all
Allah knows best
I wonder why some people respond to my comments about the article on American than here. Are they trying to pose me as someone protecting a non-muslim while rejecting Islam. How wrong they are........... This is why I question about some of these so called people who say they are defending Islam.. what are they upto. What is their agenda...
this almost like making a new Afghanistan, Pakistan , iran or sudan and sure it not gonna happen
@nishan i bet more than 70% are not funder mentalists...if you were more,adhalath and salf would be governing Maldives...ofcox they failed in 2 elections with embarrassing results
so i guess Allah the most powerful is not with the fundamentalists. so sad
@ anon
u dont have to wait patiently. the day is very near.
Ahmed
the number is not wat it counts. eeman is wat it counts. eeman of 1 fundamentalist is equal to 1000 modernists. n even 1 person becomin a true muslim is a big threat to modernists n zionists. n if u r not aware of the increasing number of true muslim jus count the increasin number of face veils day by day.i think its a proof that the true muslims r increasing.
n then look at wat happened to the famous red army n Britain in Afghanistan, n now wat is happening to america in Afghanistan. their soldiers their military budget their tanks their jets cudnt do anythin agaist the fundamentalist. they r planning to send more soldiers next year hopin to do sumthing in there. they r loosing it just like the Vietnam war.why. bcox when Allah the most powerful is with any1 no super power can do anythin.
n one day v r going to win agaist all of them.insha Allah
may Allah guide us all.
Allah knows best.
So there are people who promote fundamentalist idea of Jihad which nowhere in Islam encourages for no reason. Recently a stupid Maldivian Islam extremist blew himself in Pakistan. What did he gain, he left a widow to mourn and four children who will grow up fatherless. Poor kids. I am sure Allah will curse such men who go for Jihad to kill people including Islam. I think most of the comments like this indicate a desire for political power rather than promoting Islam in the name of Allah. Here they say increase of Niqab is a sign of true Islam. I don’t think so. Majority of Saudi women are forced to wear Niqab which is their culture since centuries. There are challenging debates about Hijab and Niqab among Islamic scholars. As I believe, again this is how they intrepret Islam which is a serious problem. So majority of us we don’t to Talibanise or Pakistanise Maldives. We want a country that enjoys our freedom, people who love Islam for what it is in Quran and Sunnah. We don’t desire for extremism as promoted by a few in the country to set their hidden agendas or in the name of Sunnah. Allah is all knowing. May bless us to the right path.
When you talk about terrorist acts in Iraq and Augustan, why are you not talking about the Islam extremists killing innocent other Muslims even when they are performing prayers on a Friday. Islam fundamentalists attacks by blowing themselves up in Allah's sacred houses, the mosques. Look at the number of Islam fundamentalists targeting their brothers and sisters in the name of Islam in Pakistan and other countries. Shame on such fundamentalists.
I know we have freedom of expression/ opinion and all other types of rights, but it seems that some of us are openly advocating extremism, terrorism and violence here. Surely there must be some sort of legal ramifications. If this goes unchecked and the present trends continue our beautiful country could be the next Afghanistan. The sad thing is that it seems that some of us want it to be that way. Islamic extremism/fundamentalism and NOT climate change and sea level rise is the biggest threat faced by our country in the 21st century.
Salaam All, wether u guys like it or not we r not gonna stop spreading islam here (dats QURAN N SUNNAH) INSHA ALLAH....n in fact so many Maldivians r reforming to true path of Quran n Sunnah..Masha Allah...although u guys NOT like it thr is nothin u cud do abt it rather jus comment to these kind of articles...jus BLAA BLAAA BLAAAA..dats all...r they anybody who pray five time hr, specially morning prayer, i guess few r thr...but wat abt others...hmmmm NOOOOOO rite....n finally wen the hour comes these hypocrites claimin to be muslims r destined to HELL,,,,u may enjoy here but the TORMENT for the disbelievers r very SEVERE...!!! u may have ut mouth n hands to write n speak ur freedom but think of the hearafter..wat u gonna do then, do u think u can spk n that day or even look up...in fact NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...so enjoy as much as u can n spk watever u feel abt islam...but the TORMENT for the disbeleivers n hypocrites are far more sever n painfull.....!!!
@nishan: now you accuse me of shouting. i dislike that. if i were shouting I WOULD GO LIKE THIS MAKING YOUR HEAD ASPLODE INTO SO MANY LITTLE FUNDAMENTALIST PIECES.
with that being said, i think YOUR definition of the American/Zionist definition of fundamentalist, extremists, terrorists etc. is flawed. extremely so. they, like the rest of the world, describe a fundamentalist/extremist/terrorist as any rational being would, as someone who thinks violence and terror is the only way to solve any problem.
now you may counter and say blablabla durgadurgajihad and how people are violent and aggressive towards muslims but i pose to you this (and i do it in dhivehi so rejoice): "meehaku raa buee ey kiyaafa kaley raaboan jeheytha?" and what i mean is, muslims have no reason to stoop to THEIR level. and it is this very fact, the fact that muslims respond to violence with more violence, that too often killing more muslims than anyone else (eg: afghanistan and the middle east) that muslims as a collective are categorised so.
as for a higher prevalence of "face veils" (a crude translation of moonu buruga i assume *facepalm) being a measure of a higher number of "true muslims" i shall then also assume that a higher prevalence of Gorgoroth shirts implies a sudden influx of true Norwegian Black Metallers.
jokes aside, honestly, your premise assumes that we "modernists" as you call us have incomplete information regarding what goes on behind said "faceveils" (the resemblance to facePALM is alarming :O) when in fact we DO. you lot are no goody-two-shoes yourselves. i won't go into it but i'm sure enough people know what y'all are like.
and the response to anon:u dont have to wait patiently. the day is very near.
God told you that, did he? seeing as he's on your side and all >_>
then we come to XXIIIWWWMMM: please present a coherent and cogent argument so that i can knock it down. thx.
finally afiya, moomin, nashath: high five 😀
ooooh almost forgot. the Exodus: yes it HAS begun. braindrain on a massive scale. i'm part of it 😀 i've exodus'd, so to speak, fled the land 😀
@marina: you rock, btw 😀
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XXIIIWWWMMM first a fall who are u to judge others and send ppl to hell are you overriding god and his messenger?? even if a person dosent conduct prayers regularly if he is a believing Muslim god may show him the right path and forgive his sins ...stories from the rasullaaa we know that ppl who do much bad sins and even kafirs has been show right path and died as true muslim... if you were a true muslim u wouldnt have called ur brothers and sisters hypocrites .
Isn’t there a hadeeth which says that when the time comes close near tojudgement day, there will be people to mislead true Muslims? Some will claim to know Islam and lead you to wrong path. How do you know that the guy who blew up himself in a suicide bomb has gone to Heaven? He killed other Muslims in Pakistan; he left behind a wife and innocent kids. According to some of you, it’s Jihad. How can you accuse your brother and sisters as disbelievers? It is not Islamic behaviour. How can you claim yourselves to be the perfect Muslims and others to be non-believers? How can you say that Fundamentalists are true believers while others are not? Who is to decide except Allah? How does anyone know whose prayers will be accepted other than Allah. Religion is between you and Allah. This is how most people misuse religion in Islam and even in other religions. They try to prove themselves as higher beings and have true power of God. Look at the cults like some Islam fundamentalists have. They get citizens brainwashed, get them into groups to do their bidding. This is exactly how Osama Talibanised Afghanistan. Why is that Maldivian Islamic Scholars and fundamentalists are against human rights. Islam is the first religion that protected human rights. Where are the Islamic principles of patience, tolerance and peace that Allah and Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) talked about in spreading our peace-loving religion? It’s not just words expressed here but it’s our desire to lead a normal life to follow Quran and Sunnah. Not a life conformed by ruling of fundamentalists. So maybe your prediction may come true because judgement day drawing closer day by day and people will be lead astray. May Allah give us peace.
@XXIIIWWWMMMWhat are your presumptions that we don’t pray or dont live like Muslims? That’s not scholarly or Islamic way. Where do you get facts that the commentators who believe in Allah and Islam, but who don’t believe fundamentalist ideology are not praying, especially fajr. Allah says pray all five times on time but even if people miss fajr, due to sleep than Allah has made it possible to pray later. For one, I perform prayers and even fajr. Allah is greater than any human being and all knowing.
@ALI, did i mention any name n did i tell that he is goin hell or heaven...DID I???? can u pls read my comment DUDE.